Moving On posts re: violent rhetoric—threats of violence

From conan
Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 11:56
I don't feel that Ricky's reaction was shocking or even morally wrong. Not a single one of us knows exactly what he went through mentally and as such we shouldn't try and judge is actions. I know there are many people in TF that I have contimplated tracking down and killing. Granted I stopped short becasue of the obvious consequences that would arise but the point is that I'm sure Ricky was so tormented by what that psychotic bitch had done to him as a child in the name of the Lord our saviour and all that bullshit that he did what he felt was necessary to set things right in his own mind. None of us knows for sure but I don't think any ex-member should get too on his case for this, especially since he's dead too. 
It is rather amusing though how TF is attempting to twist this to their benefit and make it look like it's other ex-members fault and not a product of Ricky's own thought process. They're so deluded and it's really sad. I hope they're all happy in their oblivion though.
From Plotting
Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 22:37
I hope we do see copycat situations. 
I'm very sorry that Ricky killed himself, but I am not sorry that he killed Sue first. She deserved it. I hope you all realize that she bears a lot of responsibility for the way we were raised. There are a few others that deserve to die.
From you wish...
Monday, January 10, 2005, 11:29
He should have killed a hell of a lot more before he took his own life...what a waste.

from Baxter
Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 04:53
Maybe it's callous to say it, but WTF, if he had to go, he might as well have taken one of the fuckers with him; it's almost too bad he only got one. I know it isn't PC to advocate suicide, but it was his life, and he chose to end it the way he did, and I think we should respect that. 
From 
Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 22:50
I'm sorry Ricky took his own life. I kept hoping that he would find a way to get through it. I know he was contemplating suicide for a long time and he choose to take her down before he went. 
Sue got what she had coming, she was a child molester and participated in the organized abuse of our generation. I'm glad he stabbed her instead of just letting her off with one to the head. 
I don't care what any of you have to say about some of us being 'psyco', how do you think we got this way? Are we just supposed to leave it to some higher power to avenge us? What about those xers that are too damaged to have a normal life? And yes there are plenty of them. 
Do child molesters deserve to live? 

From NVC
Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 11:31
Maybe, i don't have enough legal knowledge. but if in any way if any of this could create the possibility of having the equivalent of the British court case here in the US that may be a chance of seeing some justice. rememer the British case was a civil case initiated on a custody battle. here there is a murder suicide that covers what could be one of the most interesting expose' we have ever seen in cult history. is there a way to justice?

From lotstoforget
Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 12:19
Boy, Baxter, sounds like "Brawn" is definitely outweighing your "Brain". I can't really refer any serious researcher to this site anymore, because people like you make us all sound like psychos. Like I said below, I'm definitely checking out of here. Want no part in this. Man, you guys are starting to talk killing. Now that says nothing about the cult you came out off, but it says a lot about YOU!!

From thepersoniamnow
Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 06:03
Yeah it is terrible but I honestly couldnt give a shit about the fam member/former personal abuser of him. I hope she died knowing why she died

From trial
Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 19:13

I think a murder trial with a cult leaders son at the center would have shone a bright media spotlight on the cult and its wonderful history of raising "well adjusted, socialy aware children"

ack
Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 09:12

There's no excuse for murder? think again! There are plenty of excuses for murder, as there are plenty of ways to justify a righteous killing. The one thing he did right was to cross state lines before offing himself, at least it's a federal matter now. Perhaps the Feds will get of their asses? Maybe he's better of anyway. It can't be easy going through life being the literal son of a whore (Kirby's trick), as well as the poster child of those who started this whole mess. Though one wonders why a therapist was not consulted. 
Then there's the method. If he owned a gun, and used a knife... I suppose we could say passion was involved. (some anti-depressants have been linked to sudden bursts of violence and rage, as have a plethora of steroids. We'll have to wait for an autopsy for that). 
People have gotten reduced and lenient judgements when killing a former abuser. Who can know what goes through the mind of a suicide? If you're alive today, you cannot. Somehow I doubt it was about any court case. I can never know for sure, as anyone else's oppinion is just that. And you know? Oppinions are like assholes, everybody's got one, and they usually stink. 
Wow! I think it's going to take me a full ten minutes to get over this one. though I might have to cut it short, I've got other (friends)suicides to think about.
From Baxter
Friday, January 14, 2005, 04:12
Damn right, I am an evil mutha_____, and you'd better pray you never meet me on a dark and dirty night! 
I do not nor ever have I felt the need to justify my hatred. It is an integral part of my soul, and to deny it's existence would simply do me more damage. I hate those people, every last one of them. The only thing that separates me from the action that Ricky took is that I would only kill one of them if I figured I could get away with it, or if the risk was worth the result. Spare me your moral condemantion, I really don't give a shit. I don't abide by your moral precepts, I abide by mine. 
BUT I HAVE NEVER RAPED, SEXUALLY ABUSED OR TORTURED A CHILD, YOU WACK FUCK!
from lover_of_light
Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 07:30
This whole thing really causes some serious soul searching. I certainly think F. leadership should consider resigning because of past mistakes. Kind of like CEO's of companies do when they or their company blows it real bad. But however evil Maria may or maynot be, I don't think she's anything like as bad as what I've been reading here. Here's are some of the comments about this tragedy that you guys' have posted: 
"Sue got what was coming to her and I'm glad for that. " 

"…but I am not sorry that he killed Sue first. She deserved it." 

"I'm also disgusted by the weak Christian/democratic "need to be punished" which has been hammered not only into us, but into western civilization as well, with the exception of the various mafia subcultures (they're not perfect either, but I won't get into that now)." 

"He should have been euphoric after doing the symbolic liberating deed, ready to go forward with life. It would have been a statement of, " You don't scare me anymore, I've grown up, now look who's trembling". Instead, he goes and shoots himself? Why? Because Thou Shalt Not Kill, the bible says, and so does your junior high civics class. In Ricky's case, it was no more wrong to kill than it was to remove an annoying splinter from your thumb." 

"Maybe it's callous to say it, but WTF, if he had to go, he might as well have taken one of the fuckers with him; it's almost too bad he only got one" 
"Sue got what she had coming, she was a child molester and participated in the organized abuse of our generation. I'm glad he stabbed her instead of just letting her off with one to the head. " 
You guys are downright evil. Seems like a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.